Baby Melleri Madness!!

@jpowell86 Do you have any idea on what it would take to get one of these over the boarder and into Canada? Cost wise I am asking, not including the price of the animal.

Thanks.
 
The amount of time, labor, medications, skill, and heart it takes to acclimate the WC animals, in order to get babies in captivity is in itself justification for the asking price. In addition, feeding and properly supplementing the babies for the 4-6 months it takes for them to reach a reasonable size for sale, is an expensive and critical investment. Losing any offspring born in captivity to inexperience is a tragedy we cannot afford, with Tanzania being shut down. We need these babies to go to experienced keepers/breeders, not to just anyone willing to cough up some silver. Jpowell86 is doing things the way all keepers, breeders, and even the importers should. It's about the animals, not our desire to have something we covet behind screen doors. I'm so happy to see his passion for melleri, after working with this species myself. They are unlike any other reptile, I've ever cared for.
 
jpowell86 said:
I honestly have no idea. Let me ask Janet, @jajeanpierre, about it. She is from Canada and might have a better grasp on this.
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I really have no intention as of right now to do this. I have just always been curious. Back when I was into breeding Ball Pythons , people would get together to import from the USA in order to save money. (not save money on the animal, but to save on fees)


Thanks for the reply.
 
Extensionofgreen said:
The amount of time, labor, medications, skill, and heart it takes to acclimate the WC animals, in order to get babies in captivity is in itself justification for the asking price. In addition, feeding and properly supplementing the babies for the 4-6 months it takes for them to reach a reasonable size for sale, is an expensive and critical investment. Losing any offspring born in captivity to inexperience is a tragedy we cannot afford, with Tanzania being shut down. We need these babies to go to experienced keepers/breeders, not to just anyone willing to cough up some silver. Jpowell86 is doing things the way all keepers, breeders, and even the importers should. It's about the animals, not our desire to have something we covet behind screen doors. I'm so happy to see his passion for melleri, after working with this species myself. They are unlike any other reptile, I've ever cared for.
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Thanks Andrew! They are unlike any chameleon I have ever kept too.

You nailed it on the head. I don't want these animals going to impulse buyers. Everyone sees a huge chameleon and wants one based solely off the aesthetics of the animal. I need these to go to homes that are interested in not only caring for them properly, but to keepers who are involved in the community and will hopefully keep in touch and maybe help in future breeding endeavors. Now I know I can't bank on that, but it is a hope!!

Rorschach said:
I think 350 is fine like you said you can charge more and id pay
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Thanks Anthony!!
 
I have been watching this thread from the beginning. This is an amazing achievement and I am so proud to witness it even over the internet. These babies will do amazing, I have faith. And I have hope that they will be able to continue this captive breeding project in other homes. You are amazing Joel, I aspire to be someone like you when I have the space. I wish you all the luck, though you obviously don't need it.
 
KapitalJ said:
I really have no intention as of right now to do this. I have just always been curious. Back when I was into breeding Ball Pythons , people would get together to import from the USA in order to save money. (not save money on the animal, but to save on fees)


Thanks for the reply.
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Exactly. I am sure it probably wouldn't be a great deal for shipping one animal. At least not for the buyer, lol. I am curious about that myself though. I have had many people wanting them from Canada. I have just told them I am in the states and thanks for considering, but maybe if I got enough people wanting it wouldn't be so bad. I don't know!
 
KapitalJ said:
@jpowell86 Do you have any idea on what it would take to get one of these over the boarder and into Canada? Cost wise I am asking, not including the price of the animal.

Thanks.
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I've moved CITES animals and animal products into the US but I believe the prices will be the same. I've also moved my parrots back and forth between Canada and Saudi Arabia.

You have to find out if Canada requires a quarantine or an inspection. There will be two places to look--one is Food Inspection and the other is Environment Canada. Environment Canada is the CITES manager. If it is CITES II, which I believe Mellers are, you won't need any CITES permits to enter Canada. If you have to quarantine the animal, I am sure you can do a quarantine in your house. My birds all had to be quarantined and it was done at my cottage. I think I paid about $250 to have all the inspections and the quaranine inspections. If no quarantine, it might only cost you about $50 at the border but I don't know anymore. The last time I moved parrots (CITES II) into Canada was in 2003.

Now, exporting out of the US is a pain in the butt. I have not found that US Fish and Wildlife to be very aware of what is needed. I think all you will need is a CITES export permit from US Fish and Wildlife. I have no idea how much they charge for it. (Canada's permits are free.) It gets a little complicated because you are not the exporter. I am not sure if it would be a commercial shipment which is handled differently than a pet shipment.

The first think you need to do is find out the CITES status of the species--is it CITES Appendix I or II. If CITES I it is a nightmare but I am sure Mellers aren't since they are imported easily from East Africa.

First you need a CITES export permit from US Fish and Wildlife.

Where are you located? Will you be carrying the animal across a land border or having it flown to you?

I think Dallas airport is a Designated Port but I believe they are not very competent based on stories I've heard from a snake breeder. The animal will have to be inspected by US Fish and Wildlife (fee is about $250) and the paperwork HAS TO BE STAMPED. It will probably cost you a total of $500 just for the export paperwork. The Canadian side is a lot easier to deal with.

Go to US Fish and Wildlife and find out what is needed to export CITES II reptiles.

Hope that helps. It will take you a lot of effort and research to find out what you need. US Fish and Wildlife is sometimes a bit confused on what paperwork is needed for what species, even when they are the ones issuing the paperwork. It is not easy to find what you need.
 
jajeanpierre said:
I've moved CITES animals and animal products into the US but I believe the prices will be the same. I've also moved my parrots back and forth between Canada and Saudi Arabia.

You have to find out if Canada requires a quarantine or an inspection. There will be two places to look--one is Food Inspection and the other is Environment Canada. Environment Canada is the CITES manager. If it is CITES II, which I believe Mellers are, you won't need any CITES permits to enter Canada. If you have to quarantine the animal, I am sure you can do a quarantine in your house. My birds all had to be quarantined and it was done at my cottage. I think I paid about $250 to have all the inspections and the quaranine inspections. If no quarantine, it might only cost you about $50 at the border but I don't know anymore. The last time I moved parrots (CITES II) into Canada was in 2003.

Now, exporting out of the US is a pain in the butt. I have not found that US Fish and Wildlife to be very aware of what is needed. I think all you will need is a CITES export permit from US Fish and Wildlife. I have no idea how much they charge for it. (Canada's permits are free.) It gets a little complicated because you are not the exporter. I am not sure if it would be a commercial shipment which is handled differently than a pet shipment.

The first think you need to do is find out the CITES status of the species--is it CITES Appendix I or II. If CITES I it is a nightmare but I am sure Mellers aren't since they are imported easily from East Africa.

First you need a CITES export permit from US Fish and Wildlife.

Where are you located? Will you be carrying the animal across a land border or having it flown to you?

I think Dallas airport is a Designated Port but I believe they are not very competent based on stories I've heard from a snake breeder. The animal will have to be inspected by US Fish and Wildlife (fee is about $250) and the paperwork HAS TO BE STAMPED. It will probably cost you a total of $500 just for the export paperwork. The Canadian side is a lot easier to deal with.

Go to US Fish and Wildlife and find out what is needed to export CITES II reptiles.

Hope that helps. It will take you a lot of effort and research to find out what you need. US Fish and Wildlife is sometimes a bit confused on what paperwork is needed for what species, even when they are the ones issuing the paperwork. It is not easy to find what you need.
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I have always heard it can be a disaster state side. That is why I have never even entertained the idea of it.
 
Thank you for all the information @jajeanpierre

I am in Canada, Ontario.

I will look into it as my curiosity has gotten the better of me.

Last summer we purchased a puppy from a breeder in Michigan to add to our bloodline. It was hard finding information on that as well. In the end all we had to do was pay the taxes. But we drove over to the States to pick it up and drive it over the boarder. They put the screws to us at the boarder, but we had all of our vet papers in order and it wasn't to bad.
 
KapitalJ, Ontario is a pretty big place! ;) I wanted to know how close you were to a border crossing and which one. There are reasons relating to the export that I am asking.

Cats and dogs are EASY--vet certificate and current vaccination certificates. Declare at the border and pay taxes. It gets really difficult with things like birds or CITES animals/products. Even my horses need a lot of paperwork, testing and inspections at the border before they can cross.

Which border crossing is closest to you and how far?
 
I am in Kitchener. Closest border would probably be Niagara. There are a couple of crossings there, Queenston being the closest. About 1.5 hour drive for me. But I can also cross over into Michigan. That is more like a 3 hr drive. But I don't mind driving at all. I just keep telling myself that I will get a super cheap case of beer out of the deal!! Lol. I love your liquor prices in the USA!!
 
KapitalJ said:
I am in Kitchener. Closest border would probably be Niagara. There are a couple of crossings there, Queenston being the closest. About 1.5 hour drive for me. But I can also cross over into Michigan. That is more like a 3 hr drive. But I don't mind driving at all. I just keep telling myself that I will get a super cheap case of beer out of the deal!! Lol. I love your liquor prices in the USA!!
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I'm not sure of CITES stance on the subject, but I think Johnny Walker is an endangered species, so you'd better just leave all that state side!!! :rolleyes:
 
This is my runty in the group. You would think he would be hard to find amidst 41 chameleons...but I can pick him out every time I look in. He is considerably smaller than the rest!


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Andee said:
I have been watching this thread from the beginning. This is an amazing achievement and I am so proud to witness it even over the internet. These babies will do amazing, I have faith. And I have hope that they will be able to continue this captive breeding project in other homes. You are amazing Joel, I aspire to be someone like you when I have the space. I wish you all the luck, though you obviously don't need it.
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Thanks Andee. I really appreciate that!!

I hope they all do well and make some future breedings possible. You might not have the space right now to breed chameleons like this, but you help in other ways. You give really solid advice here on the forums and I have seen you help many keepers. That is awesome in itself and just as important in my book!!
 
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