If there were new CITES species quotas?

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Here's a list to complete the list of new Brookesia quotas.

Brookesia betschi 300
Brookesia brygooi 500
Brookesia ebenaui 150
Brookesia griveaudi 150
Brookesia minima 150
Brookesia nasus 150
Brookesia peyrierasi 150

For a grand total with Calumma and Furcifer species of 21 new chameleon species.

 

[CarlC]

As well as two years of Furcifer campani imports.
Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Two years for this species and no good news yet.

Carl

 

[kameleons jvo]

Two years for this species and no good news yet.

Carl

Yes thats what i mean with these new species,dont be to optimistic!
Furcifer campani is already in for 2 years in the US and what is the breeding succes?
0.00000000... nothing, zero
Believe me the other species are a loth harder to breed...

 

[Dooley1]

Yes, exactly. Let's bring in a bunch of new chameleon species when no one establishes what we have had available in the first place. Not much changes over the years.

 

[Chase]

Yes thats what i mean with these new species,dont be to optimistic!
Furcifer campani is already in for 2 years in the US and what is the breeding succes?
0.00000000... nothing, zero
Believe me the other species are a loth harder to breed...

All we can be is optimistic. Does anyone in the US still have campani? I'm trying to remember, I think maybe Canvas Chameleons have some?

Chase

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Two years for this species and no good news yet.

Carl

Yes thats what i mean with these new species,dont be to optimistic!
Furcifer campani is already in for 2 years in the US and what is the breeding succes?
0.00000000... nothing, zero
Believe me the other species are a loth harder to breed...

Yes, exactly. Let's bring in a bunch of new chameleon species when no one establishes what we have had available in the first place. Not much changes over the years.

Now we actually have got the opportunity to keep and work with these species and that tops keeping and working with almost nothing (no quota Calumma species). These are conservative quotas and the Malagasy are not using the collect everything that is in site method that was happening before 1995 that makes these conservative quotas speaking much more sustainable. This means we have got time to figure how to captive breed these species in North America. As I recall it took Europe about 2 decades before they learned how to captive breed most of the species from Madagascar? Jurgen it is comical that you mention this breeding Furcifer campani in 2 years? Did you breed all the chameleons from Madagascar in your first 2 years of keeping and working with all the Furcifer and Calumma species? Plus Jurgen, your free to share your knowledge about breeding these these species in captivity. Things take time to develop and progress I would not knock it or be a nay sayer. However this time North America and the rest of the world is going to have the legal option to refine their techniques rather than rely on illegal Black Market options as a source for their chameleons. That is a huge plus.

As for the record Dooley and Carl, Dooley aren't you or weren't you incubating 2 clutches of Furcifer campani eggs right now Dooley? Some breeding is being done and these species are some of the most difficult to breed out of all the worlds chameleons. If you breed them they are going to make a legitimate expert chameleon breeder out of you. Just now keepers are going to have the opportunity to keep and legally take on this challenge.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[CarlC]

I had thought breeding F. lateralis to F6 already made Kevin a legitimate expert chameleon breeder.

Carl

 

[Dooley1]

Jeremy,

It is still possible that I may get 1 or more hatchlings. I'm still waiting. I just don't share your optimism. I do like it though.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

I had thought breeding F. lateralis to F6 already made Kevin a legitimate expert chameleon breeder.

Carl

I am reviewing the topic of this thread new quota species. I am not reviewing Dooleys well known accomplishments with Furcifer lateralis. The other species he is/was working with or had eggs with Furcifer campani is a new quota species. I do not understand why you would say there is no breeding going on with a certain species when you have/had two or more clutches of eggs incubating? They are a difficult species to breed to begin with.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

All we can be is optimistic. Does anyone in the US still have campani? I'm trying to remember, I think maybe Canvas Chameleons have some?

Chase

There are 3 or 4 keepers that have got pairs. I can review on PM if you want to Chase.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Dooley1]

I'll cheer up! Haha. I guess I'm in a pessimistic mood. But I would love to see new quota species hatch.

 

[Chase]

I'll cheer up! Haha. I guess I'm in a pessimistic mood. But I would love to see new quota species hatch.

How long have your eggs been incubating?

Chase

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

I'll cheer up! Haha. I guess I'm in a pessimistic mood. But I would love to see new quota species hatch.

Dooley we have seen new quota species hatch? Chuck, Garret and even Steve hatched out Calumma parsonii parsonii earlier this year. Calumma parsonii parsonii are considered to be one of the most difficult species to hatch out of the Calumma genus.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Dooley1]

How long have your eggs been incubating?

Chase

17 months.

 

[Chase]

17 months.

Expecting babies soon?

Chase

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

I'll cheer up! Haha. I guess I'm in a pessimistic mood. But I would love to see new quota species hatch.

Expecting babies soon?

Chase

Fucifer campani are much more difficult (mate and incubate) to breed than Furcifer lateralis. These new quota species are not Fucifer pardalis, Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii, Trioceros jacksonii xantholophus or Chamaeleo calypatratus.

Did you give your eggs a diapause Dooley?

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Dooley1]

Jeremy,

They bred just as readily as lateralis and were not especially difficult captives. The limited number of eggs to work with plays a role. I did not use a diapause.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Jeremy,

They bred just as readily as lateralis and were not especially difficult captives. The limited number of eggs to work with plays a role. I did not use a diapause.

Kevin

I have heard reports that making captive bred males breed in captivity is difficult, not wild caught males. As well that the species requires a diapause to hatch in captivity. They are from one of the coldest parts of Madagascar.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[kameleons jvo]

17 months.

Campani hatching at 9 months,i had around 7 babys 2 yeaes ago....

 

[Chase]

Campani hatching at 9 months,i had around 7 babys 2 yeaes ago....

How cool did you make it for the diapause?

Chase