just bought 2 jacksons chameleons!! but have some questions. help please??

[alex arango]

thanks everyone for the replys and the info, i am well convinced its not a good idea to inbreed, so i am most lickly going to buy another male thats not related to her or find someone who has a female. and keep my male by himself maybe find him a female after i breed my female. and i did do some more research about the defects in inbreeding them and did not sound safe for them so i am well convised not to ever do that. once again thanx for everything guys

 

[Cainschams]

Mammals and reptiles are a lot different and I dont think comparing the two is relevant. Apples and oranges There are actually well respected chameleon breeders who inbreed. To what extent and what relation I dont know. If I had a pair of RARE chameleons who had offspring and there was no chance to get any new blood I would inbreed them. That being said, you have the species of jacksons that are very abundant. Id look for someone who might want to do a breeding loan or get another pair, breed both and then breed the offspring. They are rather cheap and easy to find.

 

[alex arango]

cainschams- i was woundering the same excact thing about mammals and reptiles, but i didnt ask here because i thought it wasnt the right site to ask about the difference of inbreeding mammals and reptiles. but lets say the parents of my 2 new chams ARE NOT related and we bred them, what chance is there that they would come out deformed or some kind of defects since there parents are not related and they would be the first brother and sister to have inbred babies?

 

[Solid Snake]

cainschams- i was woundering the same excact thing about mammals and reptiles, but i didnt ask here because i thought it wasnt the right site to ask about the difference of inbreeding mammals and reptiles. but lets say the parents of my 2 new chams ARE NOT related and we bred them, what chance is there that they would come out deformed or some kind of defects since there parents are not related and they would be the first brother and sister to have inbred babies?

All questions are relevant.
Cainschams had unique input for example.
Thats what this place is for.

 

[alex arango]

i will keep that in mind thanks.

 

[alex arango]

sorry for all the guestions but one just came to mind. so i was told they look to be a year or older, so my question is normaly how big are they when they get to a year old? can anybody tell me in inches? how much do they grow every month? i tryed looking it up but couldnt find anything at all. i think if i know how big they normaly are at a year old i can get a better estimate on how they are now.

 

[cchatron]

That's wrong man...

 

[alex arango]

whats wrong

 

[Solid Snake]

sorry for all the guestions but one just came to mind. so i was told they look to be a year or older, so my question is normaly how big are they when they get to a year old? can anybody tell me in inches? how much do they grow every month? i tryed looking it up but couldnt find anything at all. i think if i know how big they normaly are at a year old i can get a better estimate on how they are now.

They are just like people, they grow at different rates, and can wind up different sizes.
My female thats estimated to be 1.5-2 years old is 4" asleep and curled up, and 6-7" stretched out. She was 3" curled when I got her at about a year old.
If that helps

 

[Solid Snake]

That's wrong man...

whats wrong

"Inbreeding" Im asuming.

 

[alex arango]

thanks and yes that helps alot, shes 3 inches and a half from nose to her button(not including her tail) so im asuming shes atleast a year old

 

[kuzitiso]

I'm not positive, but if chameleons are anything like us genetically there is risk of amplifying any genetic mutations. For example, they may appear to be perfectly normal but may be carrying recessive mutated alleles. If they are mated then there is a chance that some of the babies would carry two of the recessive alleles and therefore express the mutation.

Again, I'm not a pro on chameleon genetics whatsoever.. I just know this is an issue with inbreeding in other organisms.

 

[Cainschams]

cainschams- i was woundering the same excact thing about mammals and reptiles, but i didnt ask here because i thought it wasnt the right site to ask about the difference of inbreeding mammals and reptiles. but lets say the parents of my 2 new chams ARE NOT related and we bred them, what chance is there that they would come out deformed or some kind of defects since there parents are not related and they would be the first brother and sister to have inbred babies?

Im not really sure what you are trying to ask If they arent related there shouldnt be any problem.

Again, reptiles and mammals are very different. When you think about small, isolated population of chameleons then there is no way they can get around some extent of inbreeding. Hell, the whole population might be an inbred, redneck commune living out in the middle of the forest

 

[millerman6401]

ive always kind of thought that inbreeding is bound to hapen in the wild and not have any effects if it happens every now and then. better off to just get a diffrent gene pool in there anyways.