Melleri baby pipped, Megana&Hercules' 1st!
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Chameleons Northwest
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Sandy I had a hard time picking out Theseus in the photos - how about you?
You know, I should have marked him and didn't. Boo hiss. But! If they are like other chameleons, I will be able to recognize him from the photo of him that I posted earlier. Their stripes and dots, hopefully, are like fingerprints.
ciafardo 4
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Time to clean the bin, so we had a photo op. First photo shows all 12 on a branch. They are already pooping! Didn't look like egg-poop, either. Looks like they're already eating. Yay! There were some nice round bellies, too.
This is my all time favorite post and pics i have ever seen on this forum keep up the good work guys!!!!!!
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PantherVeileD
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good job , very good to hear that they're eating and pooping.. i love reptaid and i love the babies!!!
summoner12
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LOL! Flattery will get you everywhere! How many do you want?
Sandy and Eliot rock the cham world with wonderful info on all chams. They know their stuff!
I'll take two.
Chameleons Northwest
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Sandy and Eliot rock the cham world with wonderful info on all chams. They know their stuff!
I'll take two.
Ha ha! You'll have to do better than that!
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Brad Ramsey
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And what will get me a baby?
I am ready .... just let me know what to do
-Brad
edit: like I need another baby around here!
I am ready .... just let me know what to do
-Brad
edit: like I need another baby around here!
Montium
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Sandy and Eliot rock the cham world with wonderful info on all chams. They know their stuff!
I'll take two.
LOL As would just about everyone hehe
Syn
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I wish I had the room and the weather for these guys. Amazing little ones.
I am definitely not ready for a melleri so no worries about me asking for one.. and probably won't be until I have my own house to do what I want with it (i.e. dedicate a whole room to chameleons, a whole room to cresteds, and a room for everything else.. heheh).
I am definitely not ready for a melleri so no worries about me asking for one.. and probably won't be until I have my own house to do what I want with it (i.e. dedicate a whole room to chameleons, a whole room to cresteds, and a room for everything else.. heheh).
prettykttkat
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The calcium was 15.4 and the phosphorus ws 5.6. So the ratio was a bit high on the calcium side. Don't know if these were total or ionised. We believe the poor egg calcification may have been due to the on-again off-again lighting setting in their room. On warmest days the lights were off for significant periods.QUOTE]
The blood levels were most likely total calcium levels then because that's what is most commonly done and ionised calcium level tests are more expensive. I asked because ionised calcium level tests are more accurate. The results make sense why some of the eggs were poorly calcified. Her calcium levels were not high but actually low. I'll explain. Most reptiles have a normal range of around 10mg/dl. There are a few exceptions on some species for example some tortoises have norms under 8mg/dl and uromastyx have norms around 14mg/dl. Chams fall in to the "around 10mg/dl range" as being normal. Female reptiles though, during egg production double or even quadruple their calcium blood levels during that time as being normal and are technically hypercalcemic. Hypercalcemic is 20mg/dl and above(high levels of calcium in the blood stream). Again for females during egg production this is normal and nothing to be worried about. Your cham's phosphorous levels were a little high. Norm range is 1-5 mg/dl depending on species. The blood tests I think showed she died from hypocalcemia(low levels of calcium)
summoner12
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my GF said 'no more!!!' and then i made her look at the pics posted..... then she was all 'OOOOOOH THEY ARE SOOOO CUUUUUUUUTE I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!"
Chameleons Northwest
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All eggs are hatched and there are 13 little black/white suits climbing about. Two of the babies look a little questionable at this point, but we're hoping for the best.
Brad, are you serious? Of course you need more babies! By the way, you also need more posts!! (Have you looked at Julirs post count lately?)
5174 posts, Juli? You go, girl!
Great info! Thank you.
And what will get me a baby?
I am ready .... just let me know what to do
-Brad
edit: like I need another baby around here!
Brad, are you serious? Of course you need more babies! By the way, you also need more posts!! (Have you looked at Julirs post count lately?
)5174 posts, Juli? You go, girl!
The calcium was 15.4 and the phosphorus ws 5.6. So the ratio was a bit high on the calcium side. Don't know if these were total or ionised. We believe the poor egg calcification may have been due to the on-again off-again lighting setting in their room. On warmest days the lights were off for significant periods.QUOTE]
The blood levels were most likely total calcium levels then because that's what is most commonly done and ionised calcium level tests are more expensive. I asked because ionised calcium level tests are more accurate. The results make sense why some of the eggs were poorly calcified. Her calcium levels were not high but actually low. I'll explain. Most reptiles have a normal range of around 10mg/dl. There are a few exceptions on some species for example some tortoises have norms under 8mg/dl and uromastyx have norms around 14mg/dl. Chams fall in to the "around 10mg/dl range" as being normal. Female reptiles though, during egg production double or even quadruple their calcium blood levels during that time as being normal and are technically hypercalcemic. Hypercalcemic is 20mg/dl and above(high levels of calcium in the blood stream). Again for females during egg production this is normal and nothing to be worried about. Your cham's phosphorous levels were a little high. Norm range is 1-5 mg/dl depending on species. The blood tests I think showed she died from hypocalcemia(low levels of calcium)
Great info! Thank you.
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summoner12
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The blood levels were most likely total calcium levels then because that's what is most commonly done and ionised calcium level tests are more expensive. I asked because ionised calcium level tests are more accurate. The results make sense why some of the eggs were poorly calcified. Her calcium levels were not high but actually low. I'll explain. Most reptiles have a normal range of around 10mg/dl. There are a few exceptions on some species for example some tortoises have norms under 8mg/dl and uromastyx have norms around 14mg/dl. Chams fall in to the "around 10mg/dl range" as being normal. Female reptiles though, during egg production double or even quadruple their calcium blood levels during that time as being normal and are technically hypercalcemic. Hypercalcemic is 20mg/dl and above(high levels of calcium in the blood stream). Again for females during egg production this is normal and nothing to be worried about. Your cham's phosphorous levels were a little high. Norm range is 1-5 mg/dl depending on species. The blood tests I think showed she died from hypocalcemia(low levels of calcium)
WOW very interesting!
AJA
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Elliot said that compliment will almost get you a baby!
I am 100% sure that Elliot has THE nicest if not the prettiest beagle in the Puget Sound area.
Chameleons Northwest
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Sandy I had a hard time picking out Theseus in the photos - how about you?
I found Theseus in the midst of the 13! It was harder than I expected because I did not realize the bar patterns would be nearly identical in most of the babies. But here he is, Theseus, 12 days old and 1.6 grams (took him a few tries to get his "tape measure legs", but once he confidently stepped out he measured just a hair under 1.75" svl):
I am 100% sure that Elliot has THE nicest if not the prettiest beagle in the Puget Sound area.
Thank you! Yogi thanks you, too.
Oh, by the way, Amy, we changed the alarm code, and posted a sentry .
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