Isis isn't pink

[Psi]

For reference the male I'm linking in this thread was 3-4 months at the time I took this picture.

Since I separated him from my female he was caged in with (large cage, never showed stress that I could see, but sadly he was stressed) he has tripled in size.

Is it possible something potentially could be stressing him unknowingly?

 

[Lizardlover]

Ha! I knew "she" looked rather manly!

 

[pssh]

I suppose he could be stressed out, but he must have been stressed before I got him because he was small anyways.

Lizardlover, yeahhhh. I just thought I had a super colorful female. I hope he really starts to grow soon. Before he hadn't shown too much interest in eating and kind of did it on his own time but now he comes running when he sees me holding the cup I use to transport crickets. He just recently started to get more excited about feeding.

 

[Matt1851]

Here you go. Pardon the awkward hand and her throat, she's just finishing up a shed.

ya this is my male. he has almost the same colors and size but hes only 3 - 4 months

 

[chachilla]

Pssh, that is a real small male panther for being 8 months as every one has stated, unless he is really not eight months old. To me he looks like my male Sambava around 4.5 months old when i first got him.

 

[pssh]

Well, he has to be older than 3.5-4 months, I've had him that long. He's from the same clutch as another member on here and hers was born in July, just like him.

 

[warpdrive]

Nope, its just surprising that I bought a small male chameleon that had no colors or bulge when I picked him up. Its also a little frustrating that more people didn't comment on my last thread about her...

sweetheart, I posted a comment in your first thread from my cellphone, and I even said back then that it was a male.
I'm totaly sure that it's a male now...even though I did ask for updated pics in two weeks to be sure.

personaly, I have no idea why he is so small. I'll bet he has the same thing wrong with him as Laurie's female Smidge. (thyroid maybe)

regardless, it's still cute.
I wish you the best with him.

Harry

 

[pssh]

I mean there were some people that said they knew he was a male from the begining, but they didn't post it. I had forgotten about that thread after two weeks anyways. I was frustrated because I wish I had known earlier so maybe he wouldn't be so dang small right now.

 

[Todnedo]

If he was 8 months old he would be showing more color even if he is a runt.

 

[pssh]

So then he isn't a male?

 

[bridgofaith]

If he was 8 months old he would be showing more color even if he is a runt.

So then he isn't a male?

I think he is suggesting that he is younger than 8 months old. I could be wrong.

 

[warpdrive]

I have a funny feeling that the cham in question is alot younger then stated.
the original colors from the first thread and now seem to show a real young 2-4 month old.

I'm sure I'm wrong, but how long have you had the cham? and how small was it when you got it?

Harry

 

[pssh]

So how old do you suggest he is? If I can't trust breeders on my chams age, who can I? If he has so many weird things going on, I don't see how late colors (with a sambava no less) would be out of the ordinary any more. He already has green speckles all over his body and has red coming into his bars. His lateral line is almost never white, it's completely broken, his rostral process isn't protruding in a masculine way whatsoever, and his bulge is hardly there (I didn't even notice it, and it was thought to be feminine as well!)

I think I just have a weirdo...

EDIT: As already stated, I've had him for 3.5-4 months and he was approx 1.5-1.75 inches snout to vent.

 

[bridgofaith]

Judging by the photos you posted, he looks to be about 4 months old. He could have been the last to hatch out from that particular clutch which would explain why the others were larger. This is my guess and I'm using my females and males as a baseline.

 

[pssh]

How can it be 4 months if I've had him for just as long?

 

[warpdrive]

when I got Splat at 6 weeks he was 2" StV.
he looked just like the colors you posted before in the first thread.

if he (and it is a he) is about 6 months old (instead of 8 months), he will now take off in the growth department, don't you worrie.
even if he is just ultra small for an 8 month old, what's the big deal?
that cham is lucky to have you for an owner. both of you will be fine.

Harry

 

[bridgofaith]

It is just my best guess based on the size it appears in the pics posted. It could possibly be a little older, around 5 months, and you purchased him at 1 month. It is small for 8 months old regardless, even if it were a female. Let others give their opinion.

 

[Todnedo]

By 8 months most locales will have colored bars with a colored body from there, their colors get brighter. Most breeders don't record the date of each egg that hatches. Some clutches take a month or more for all the eggs to hatch.
You should never limit the food intake of a growing cham like you have done.
Even if it's a female. If you stunted his growth by feeding him every other day he should start growing normally when you start feeding him correctly.

With 2,814 posts in 14 months you should of read something about raising panthers by now

 

[pssh]

I have no problem with a small boy it's just a surprise. He was only a tiny bit bigger than the 3 month old I gave to my boyfriend (from a totally different breeder, mind you all,) so I'm tempted to say, if he was younger than 4.5-5 months, that he was three. He would still be small for a 6 month old, even though they can grow at extremely different rates (as shown in a thread just started by someone who has an extra small baby from his clutch and Laurie's little Smidge.) Who knows! He may never get very big or colorful. And maybe if smidge and him bred we'd make mini panthers...

Edit: Many members on here limit food intake for female so that they don't produce clutches or at least smaller clutches. No one has ever said he looked small before, so I didn't think it was a problem. It's not like he grew really fast even when I fed 12 medium crickets a day. He actually grew the most while eating every other day. If I had known he was indeed a he, I would have fed everyday as he is tiny.

I also haven't actually been active on here for 12 months. I've only been posting for about 6.

 

[warpdrive]

you mean like "toy panthers"...

Harry