Receptive Colors???

she's just under a year...but when i was doing some research..on size "INCHES" kind of looking to see how big males or females are at what age...she measures 5 inches snout to vent...and that matched up to a cham being about 4-5onths old?? is that right..she's a little..but the same size as the other ambilobe panther i had...the male i have is huge like 3 times her size...but that measurement was for males..since i couldnt find any females..i hope i didnt confuse you.. :eek: ...cause im confused lol sorry............

Ryan Jarosek said:
I may have missed it . How old is the cham.

I saw in the other thread you said...




how old is it now?
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KShook said:
she's just under a year...but when i was doing some research..on size "INCHES" kind of looking to see how big males or females are at what age...she measures 5 inches snout to vent...and that matched up to a cham being about 4-5onths old?? is that right..she's a little..but the same size as the other ambilobe panther i had...the male i have is huge like 3 times her size...but that measurement was for males..since i couldnt find any females..i hope i didnt confuse you.. :eek: ...cause im confused lol sorry............
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No not at all. :) I was just trying to put all the pieces together. Its a hard one to call. I want to call it a male like Trace and Chris but just can't do that. At the same time I can't really call it a female either. :D
 
but right now..the female is roaming the cage..and he's following her head bobbing and such..got on top of her a couple times...but shes very light blue/grey color..
 
KShook said:
but right now..the female is roaming the cage..and he's following her head bobbing and such..got on top of her a couple times...but shes very light blue/grey color..
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Gay male? jk

That leans me back to female. I would think a male or an unreceptive female would reject him thats for sure.
 
ha yeah I know what you mean! It's a HE/SHE how about that!?lol...Geez...how do I get these funky chams....

Ryan Jarosek said:
No not at all. :) I was just trying to put all the pieces together. Its a hard one to call. I want to call it a male like Trace and Chris but just can't do that. At the same time I can't really call it a female either. :D
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yeah..well after I posted this thread i was thinking twice...that it was a Ugly Male..."no pretty colors", which is what my husband and I originally thought when we got her from this guy...but he said it was a female... Anyways now..I believe its a female...but we'll see if they actually mate..and she/he/it layes eggs??

Ryan Jarosek said:
Gay male? jk

That leans me back to female. I would think a male or an unreceptive female would reject him thats for sure.
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Ha yeah, I'm sure its possible..but who knows what the hell those two are thinking...Wish we could hear there thoughts..that would definatley Help!!! I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Ryan Jarosek said:
Great Point. I didn't even think of that. Poor guy! LOL
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Looking at the tail I would say female, but i think that's clear now. At first sight it looked a bit like a St marie or fenerivo panther, they are mostly white with some red and/ or blue from what i've seen. I wouldn't know else, here's a link to male st Marie's and fenerivo:

http://www.de-kvn.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3287

Usualy the females should always be red/brownish never seen a female like your before.
 
To be honest I think the evidence is strongly in the favor of being a male. The evidence for female is the generally bland coloration, no evident hemipenal bulge and not rejecting the presence of a male. To be honest though, I think each of those points can be explained simply by being a late maturing 5" SVL male. At 5" SVL, not every male is brightly colored and a late maturing male of this size may not have a prominent hemipenal bulge. Further, as Trace suggested, a smaller, immature male would often be submissive to a larger, mature male. On top of that, you have the white longitudinal stripe, quite a bit of blue coloration, and large rostral protuberances, all indicators of a male. I still say male.

Chris
 
here's a couple pics...tried to disturbe them..but here you go
 

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Chris Anderson said:
To be honest I think the evidence is strongly in the favor of being a male. The evidence for female is the generally bland coloration, no evident hemipenal bulge and not rejecting the presence of a male. To be honest though, I think each of those points can be explained simply by being a late maturing 5" SVL male. At 5" SVL, not every male is brightly colored and a late maturing male of this size may not have a prominent hemipenal bulge. Further, as Trace suggested, a smaller, immature male would often be submissive to a larger, mature male. On top of that, you have the white longitudinal stripe, quite a bit of blue coloration, and large rostral protuberances, all indicators of a male. I still say male.

Chris
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Chris , I would agree but my problem is that the "it" was a 5" SVL 4 months or more ago. It has been 4+ months I thought that would make this chameleon at least 9 months old and probably around when "it" would be receptive.

I just don't know? :eek:
 
I now believe that is a very thick female, as in slightly over weight. No offense intended, she looks very healthy. I keep my females and males lean, I tend to avoid spoiling them.

She looks older than you say she is too, she is a doll though, I love her! I'm sticking to female.
 
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