Trying to make Julie feel better

[CleaTheChameleon]

Hello everyone...well im sure most of you saw the thread about Julie's melleri and i decided to make a thread where people can wish her the best here and leave long posts on how they wish for the best and for a miracle. Its kinda like when someone is really ill someone makes like a guestbook and people go and wish their best. I am sorry Julie if you dont like this. I just thought it would cheer you up a bit knowing we are all here for you and i didnt want your thread to fill up that much. Some of you may think this is a stupid idea but me and Donna(draetish) think its great.
Im going to start off by saying that Julie..i am one of that person that will wish someone as much luck as posisble in many different ways. It may get annoying but i feel it helps people get their hopes up better. Julie i wish you the best and i hope the heat wave does not effect them in any way. I wish you to at least get at least 1 helathy baby. You deserve it. After everything you do for this forums and your chams you deserve something out of this. You put so much work into it and you are an amazing lady to attempt and hope to succed, in getting CB melleri out there. I admire you for that Good luck. I hope they all pull through for you.


Im sorry if you guys dont like this. I was trying to do something nice

 

[draetish]

Julie I'm sure you are feeling alot of pressure since the whole forum is watching. We are all in this with you and wishing you the best. We know you are one of the most knowledgable members on this forum and whether the eggs make it or not, you're still the best!

 

[CleaTheChameleon]

Julie I'm sure you are feeling alot of pressure since the whole forum is watching. We are all in this with you and wishing you the best. We know you are one of the most knowledgable members on this forum and whether the eggs make it or not, you're still the best!

I agree with Donna. You will always be the best. I wille ven ry my best to make it to Daytona to meet you. I am sure you are a very nice lady

 

[Clifford]

good luck Julie

 

[BocaJan]

Crossed fingers for your eggs, girl.

 

[Julirs]

I think just the presence of the members of this forum makes one feel better when going through something like this. I certainly know that people like Mike, Chris, Trace, and Kent among many others have gotten me through alot of the difficulties of cham-disasters. Mike said it best, there really is nothing you can do, but that does not stop the sadness and loss one feels.
Julie-one thing is for sure, we all thank you for letting us learn from this. It all makes us better keepers to share in these kinds of events.
You have certainly been on my mind this weekend-and we are here for you.

 

[CleaTheChameleon]

I think just the presence of the members of this forum makes one feel better when going through something like this. I certainly know that people like Mike, Chris, Trace, and Kent among many others have gotten me through alot of the difficulties of cham-disasters. Mike said it best, there really is nothing you can do, but that does not stop the sadness and loss one feels.
Julie-one thing is for sure, we all thank you for letting us learn from this. It all makes us better keepers to share in these kinds of events.
You have certainly been on my mind this weekend-and we are here for you.

I agree with this. Very well said

 

[reptimom]

Prayers and lots of positive thinking being sent your way!!

 

[sandrachameleon]

Hope some of the eggs hatch out perfect little darlings for you.
fingers crossed

 

[BocaJan]

This sounds like a silly question, but how do you know the babies are dead? Sometimes I get a veiled that looks totally gone and I give it a warm water shower and some CPR to get things started. You would be amazed at what can resuscitate them.

I had one that I have been nursing the last 3 days. I knew it wasn't dead because during his shower (I drop some warm water into my hand and gently rub him all over. Anyway, he moved and had good color but curled back up and didn't move. I kept it safe and did that a couple times a day.

The good news is I put my little dead guy in with the other healthy babies thinking maybe if they walked all over it he would be resuscitated. I got back from the doctor and low and behold my little guy was moving around. Guess he wasn't ready to join the world yet, just come out of his shell.

Does anyone else do anything to try to save neonates?

 

[draetish]

This sounds like a silly question, but how do you know the babies are dead? Sometimes I get a veiled that looks totally gone and I give it a warm water shower and some CPR to get things started. You would be amazed at what can resuscitate them.

I had one that I have been nursing the last 3 days. I knew it wasn't dead because during his shower (I drop some warm water into my hand and gently rub him all over. Anyway, he moved and had good color but curled back up and didn't move. I kept it safe and did that a couple times a day.

The good news is I put my little dead guy in with the other healthy babies thinking maybe if they walked all over it he would be resuscitated. I got back from the doctor and low and behold my little guy was moving around. Guess he wasn't ready to join the world yet, just come out of his shell.

Does anyone else do anything to try to save neonates?

This is good info to know

 

[chams1]

Thank you so much Stefan, Donna and everyone. I do appreciate it (although calling me "lady", Stefan, makes me feel very old....).

Yes, as disappointing as it is to report this failure, I do know the whole forum is watching, which is exactly why I started posting threads about it going clear back to the time that Newbie laid her first clutch in June, 2009. I have done this for the same reasons that Donna, Juli and Sandy have pointed out. This forum is a learning place and how else can we learn if we don't report our own findings, whether that means success stories or failures. We all will become better and more knowledgable keepers because of it. As I stated in my other thread about the babies, while Melleri Discovery is a good resource, it is highly outdated and we need more information about incubation, etc. and there's no other place that it's going to come from other than those of us having eggs to report it.

 

[Chameleons Northwest]

This sounds like a silly question, but how do you know the babies are dead? Sometimes I get a veiled that looks totally gone and I give it a warm water shower and some CPR to get things started. You would be amazed at what can resuscitate them.

I had one that I have been nursing the last 3 days. I knew it wasn't dead because during his shower (I drop some warm water into my hand and gently rub him all over. Anyway, he moved and had good color but curled back up and didn't move. I kept it safe and did that a couple times a day.

The good news is I put my little dead guy in with the other healthy babies thinking maybe if they walked all over it he would be resuscitated. I got back from the doctor and low and behold my little guy was moving around. Guess he wasn't ready to join the world yet, just come out of his shell.

Does anyone else do anything to try to save neonates?

They do often play dead. I mist these and put them in with the others anyway. That is good advice you are giving. I will never forget the thread about the new keeper who disposed of live Brevs who were playing dead. But then the last one moved right before he dropped him in the toilet.

But the truly dead Mellers have no muscle tone, for one thing. You pick them up and they drape like a wet noodle. Also, if the mouth is agape, and/or tongue is sticking out at all, that usually indicates a truly dead neonate. SOmetimes there is no muscle tone, mouth slightly open, eyes open and glazed. Definitely dead. Even so, I initially moved mine to a bin just to be sure, as I'm sure Julie did, too. But once you learn the signs you begin to know right away. And yes, I did try to resuscitate a few of these too, as I'm sure Julie did. And that is good advice. But it was like trying to resuscitate an emply pillow case. Neonates are like eggs. You never want to give up on them.

I do think Julie is going to get some live hatchlings out of this batch.

 

[chams1]

They do often play dead. I mist these and put them in with the others anyway. That is good advice you are giving. I will never forget the thread about the new keeper who disposed of live Brevs who were playing dead. But then the last one moved right before he dropped him in the toilet.

But the truly dead Mellers have no muscle tone, for one thing. You pick them up and they drape like a wet noodle. Also, if the mouth is agape, and/or tongue is sticking out at all, that usually indicates a truly dead neonate. SOmetimes there is no muscle tone, mouth slightly open, eyes open and glazed. Definitely dead. Even so, I initially moved mine to a bin just to be sure, as I'm sure Julie did, too. But once you learn the signs you begin to know right away. And yes, I did try to resuscitate a few of these too, as I'm sure Julie did. And that is good advice. But it was like trying to resuscitate an emply pillow case. Neonates are like eggs. You never want to give up on them.

I do think Julie is going to get some live hatchlings out of this batch.

Here's hoping!! I've been way too bummed and I could use a little pick-me-up!!

I agree with Sandy and yes, I did look for and do all those things, as I have done with all my babies of different species. These were all fully developed and yolk sac still attached. However, a couple had their tongues out and dangling (dead) and a couple had mouths and eyes slightly open (dead) but a couple of them looked very healthy (other than not moving) for a couple of days so I put them back in the bin in their egg "pocket", have misted them every once in a while and check on them every so often just in case.

 

[CleaTheChameleon]

Thank you so much Stefan, Donna and everyone. I do appreciate it (although calling me "lady", Stefan, makes me feel very old....).

Yes, as disappointing as it is to report this failure, I do know the whole forum is watching, which is exactly why I started posting threads about it going clear back to the time that Newbie laid her first clutch in June, 2009. I have done this for the same reasons that Donna, Juli and Sandy have pointed out. This forum is a learning place and how else can we learn if we don't report our own findings, whether that means success stories or failures. We all will become better and more knowledgable keepers because of it. As I stated in my other thread about the babies, while Melleri Discovery is a good resource, it is highly outdated and we need more information about incubation, etc. and there's no other place that it's going to come from other than those of us having eggs to report it.

Your welcome Julie. You are not old. You are a very nice little girl

I two agree that you will get some babies out of this clutch(knock on wood) just in case lol. I wish you the best